Wednesday, November 12, 2008


I was asked to address this topic first. Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

I don't look at it in terms of for or against abortion. I think there are emotions, both deep and rooted in this issue; and to call it an issue may very well undermine and make light of the whole topic.

Legally speaking, I think women should have the right to do as they will with their bodies. I can't see a government or body of people making a decision that affects someone on such a personal level. I don't think that is fair. We, as a people, do not have the authority to take that right away one way or the other.

Morally speaking, I do not believe abortion is right. I will not make a personal judgment on anyone who chooses to do so or who has chosen that path. Again, it is their choice. I have certain religious beliefs that I adhere to. These beliefs lead me to think abortion is morally wrong. I don't support abortion. I have never been a party to it. I have never facilitated, financed, or aided in an abortion. At the time of writing this, I have never been in a position to be responsible for causing a woman to become pregnant and thereby be put in a position to consider having an abortion. I think those that have abortions based on things other than preservation of one's own life or because of rape or incest are acting selfishly and will be held accountable for their actions in the afterlife.

Politically speaking, in the role of President I wouldn't go about trying to overturn any Supreme Court decisions. I would not base a nomination of a Supreme Court Judge solely on their stance towards abortion. I would not use public funds to support any group, Pro-Life or Pro-Choice. I would not appropriate funding for programs that support one side or the other. I would accept funding from either side with the understanding that I will do nothing to favor one side or the other. I won't be bought.

My feeling is that if you choose to have an abortion, for reasons other than preservation of the female's life or in cases of rape or non consensual incest, which would cause undue physical limitations on a live born baby, the state and/or government should not be financially responsible. If you have an insurance company or the private funds to pay for an abortion then it is your prerogative to do so. I do not think the government should be in the abortion business. I would like to cease all government funding to provide abortions. I don't think tax money should be used. Privately owned facilities can choose to perform abortions or not but would be required to perform an abortion in situations where there is a critical, immediate, life threatening emergency which would require an abortion to save the woman's life.

It is easy to not get pregnant these days. Free condoms, Plan B, birth control...if you don't want to have a child, do all you can to prevent it. I think the government can provide care for women. Planned Parenthood can still be used for mammograms, prophylactics, prenatal care, and all the other women's health related things they do.

I think abortion is a personal decision. If you are against it than you do not have to participate in, condone it, or be even partially financially responsible for it.

I hope you can see the reason and logic behind my stance. It may not be the answer you want but I think it is fair. It is one that allows people to choose for themselves how they would like to proceed with this issue. Nor does it place any undue burden, financial or moral, on those who do not agree with abortion.


Anonymous said...

So you would betray your personal beliefs to cater to those selfish individuals who would take a human life, one that is a consequence of their own choice?
If not, I suppose I misunderstood.
If so... I smell hypocrisy ;)

Caleb Reeve said...

I'm not betraying my beliefs. I believe it is wrong. I am not participating in the action or cause.

I'm not taking away anyone's right either. I think this is the most fair way to approach it. I'm not making it readily available like condoms in the mens room and I'm not forcing people who don't believe in it to support it or finance it in any way.

There is also the science, which I didn't get into because frankly, I don't know enough about it. But determining when a 'human life' actually is a human life is something I don't think anyone has reached a certain foregone conclusion on. That is a whole different argument, one that I don't think, at the moment bares directly on my point of view.

The Deans said...

My personal feelings are that the woman had the choice not to have sex in the first place, and then if she was going to have sex there are plenty of birth control choices out there. If she really cares what happens to her body she can take care of it from the get go.

I feel like once there is a body with a beating heart, which can be seen at 5 weeks gestation, that it is no longer "her body". I feel like it should be illegal and that people need to start taking responsibility for their actions, good or bad.

Sorry Caleb this is one of those issues that I am passionate about!!

The Deans said...

Caleb, Skipper here. playing devil's advocates for a minute. i think there are too many programs out there that allow people to eliminate their personal responsibility. People have too easy of time getting a 'mulligan' or a 'do over' when they screw up or make poor choices. I think that the current abortion system is set up this way. Take out religion, take out when a baby becomes a baby, (also a cop out argument if you ask me. just another way to justify erasing your poor choice).
What is wrong with being an adult and living with your decisions. If you dont want to be preg then dont sex around.
I think this should be true with our economy (bankruptcy), our legal and criminal system, etc. We need to be a more responsible people.
Im sure there will be holes here to argue against, since i wrote it so hastily, but i think the general point remains true.

Caleb Reeve said...

Thanks for your feedback and opinions. I know this is a touchy subject for so many people.

Sometimes people are trying to be responsible and some stuff goes wrong. My sister got the preggies when she was on the pill, didn't miss a day, 99.9% of the time it works. She had the baby and she's 5 and adorable, but it wasn't planned. Condoms break, are used wrong, diaphragms and other birth control means aren't used effectively.

The problem is if you outlaw it then you give no room for these situations including rape. You end up having to legislate pieces of law that say 'its ok if...' There are too many variables. It would go through the courts with millions of dollars spent on determining what should or shouldn't be allowed.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are people that take the easy road out. They are/were careless, selfish and irresponsible. They choose to not deal with the consequences of being pregnant and raising a child. I'm sure they will have other issues to deal with down the road (and in my opinion in the afterlife.)

Mardi and Jeremey said...

I was so ready to comment and argue my opinion (which is very similar to Nia's) but you make a good point about having to legislate pieces of law. If the government passed a law saying abortion is illegal unless certain circumstances, not every case would have to go through court would it?

Caleb Reeve said...

I'm not a lawyer or a judge, as you know, so I can't know how it would all come off. I am sure there would be many lawsuits that would try to get other 'exceptions' passed as well. This would go through many courts until it reached the Supreme Court. Who knows what would happen then.

I think to outlaw abortion on a federal level would take too much money and too much time and is probably impossible seeing that you need 34 states to ratify an amendment to the Constitution. (that's what it would take or a Supreme Court ruling) Do you really think in today's world something like that would get passed?

I think it is something better done on a State level as same sex marriage is being handled. You want to change the law in Utah, CA, Kansas, take it up with the state as the voters in CA did with Prop 8. (And right now we'll have to see if that holds up.)

Mardi and Jeremey said...

Well put. So, if you were running for some sort of state political position (which many people would do before running for President), would you vote against abortion if that came up in a vote?

Haha, this is my last question. Promise.

Caleb Reeve said...

IF and its a BIG 'IF' I were to run for a local office and this issue came up, I would turn to the people who I represent, to hear their voice.

That may sound like a cop out but honestly, isn't that what our elected officials are supposed to do, represent the people that, not only voted them into office, but those that are in the geographical realm of their governance?

I don't think this is an area where I would feel comfortable pushing a personal moral agenda.

Dallas and Krista said...

HMMMM. As an individual I think that people deserve to be in charge of themselves. If that is the choice someone wants to make the so be it. As a mother I remember the moment when I saw a tiny body in mine and a heart beating and a life had begun. Why is it my choice to end it if I did the dead to make it? In the end- the mother in me wins. Especially because in so many cases women wait too long to make the choice and then have a baby that could actually live with medical help. The babies are left to die in hospital closets and sometimes they jam scissors in the back of their head when they have barely taken their first breath of life- opening up the skull and dumping their brains on the floor. Partial birth abortion is wrong, cruel, inhumane, barbaric, selfish, disgusting, and pretty much every other damning word that I can think of.

In the end I have to say nay. It goes against nature.